Host Andres Almeida: Image data from Earth-observing satellites like Landsat and the PACE mission helps scientists monitor everything from wildfires and hurricanes to crop health and changing coastlines.┬а
But before┬аscientists can use┬аthose images┬аfor┬аresearch, the┬аdata┬аmust be carefully calibrated to ensure the measurements are┬аaccurate┬аand consistent over time.┬аA lot of this happens inside┬аNASAтАЩs Goddard Calibration Laboratories at Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland.
How does image calibration work? Julia Barsi, calibration scientist, is going to paint the picture for us.
This is┬аSmall Steps, Giant Leaps.┬а
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Welcome to┬аSmall Steps, Giant Leaps, the podcast from NASAтАЩs Academy of Program/Project & Engineering Leadership, or APPEL. IтАЩm your host Andres Almeida. ┬а
Today, Julia Barsi is here to tell us about the behind-the-scenes work that makes satellite observations reliable.┬а
Hi Julia, welcome. ┬а
Barsi:┬аHi! Good to see you.
Host: Likewise! So, image calibration is really interesting. What does your work entail?┬а
Barsi:┬аSo, I run a collection of laboratories that do radiometric calibration and characterization and reflectance characterization of materials for┬аvarious types┬аof instruments.┬а
So, calibration and characterization are the processes that allow us to understand the properties and performance of an instrument, so that we can interpret those results for scientific application.┬а
ThereтАЩs┬аmany types of calibration and characterization that go into the process of building an instrument, but in my┬аlabs,┬аwe do radiometric and spectral┬аcalibration┬аand characterization.┬а
The radiometric calibration establishes the relationship between the sensor response and a physical parameter тАУ in this case, radiance, or the amount of energy that is hitting that instrument тАУ and we work in the UV, visible, near-infrared, and shortwave. And so, for every wavelength of light, we want to know exactly how that instrument responds.┬а
Being able to┬аrepresent┬аthat signal as a physical parameter means that scientists can quantify the processes of what┬аtheyтАЩre┬аseeing in an image.┬аSo,┬аthen that applies for the single point image or┬аover┬аtime, where┬аyouтАЩre┬аtrying to stack up multiple images to see what happens over time. And that then allows us to better understand the processes going on┬аon┬аEarth that we have captured in these images.┬а
So, to do that, I have three labs at Goddard that perform┬аvarious types┬аof this radiance reflectance and spectral calibration for spaceflight┬аhardware but┬аalso ground-based┬аradiometers and spectrometers and airborne instruments┬аthat we put in an airplane and fly occasionally.┬а
To do that, we have a collection of sources and detectors in the labs that are┬аNIST┬аtraceable, that means their response is what is known and traceable to a common standard.┬аIn the United States,┬аthatтАЩs┬аto the National Institute of Standards┬аand┬аTechnology baseline, and so any instrument that has┬аNIST┬аtraceable standards is comparable.┬а
We can say that we can compare one instrument measurement to another instrument measurement through that traceability.┬аAnd so,┬аthe collection of sources and detectors that we have in our lab allow us to give that traceability to┬аto┬аthese flight instruments, we also do reflectance and and transmission measurements.┬а
ThatтАЩs normally on materials, theyтАЩre commonly on┬аsolar diffusers, which go on spaceflight instruments as a calibration target, but also materials like baffles that you would use inside a telescope, you want to know the reflectance of that material to know whether itтАЩs going to scatter light throughout your telescope or whether itтАЩs going to stop the light from bouncing around.┬а
So, an instrument team can come to my lab for a request for calibration or characterization, and we work with them to build up the appropriate test plan for their spectral range, brightness range, environment, and then we work with them to get the test implemented.┬а
Host: How do you ensure the satellite data┬аremains┬аconsistent and┬аaccurate?┬а
Barsi:┬аFor on-orbit instruments, you really need to start with a rigorous pre-launch calibration and characterization, so you understand everything about your instrument before it goes into space.┬а
Once itтАЩs on orbit, thereтАЩs things you just canтАЩt back out from┬аthe information you get┬аon your satellite platform, so we work with the instrument developers to make sure that theyтАЩre doing all that characterization and our labs can provide those sources and services to do those characterizations.┬а
This includes meeting the instrument at their TVAC┬аchamber, where they are doing an environmentally controlled calibration, and we bring the source to them, so that they can test their response in different temperature regimes, so that if something on orbit changed and the temperature of their detector was had changed by a little bit, we would have already understood on the ground how that temperature change could affect their responsivity, so the pre-launch part is key.┬а
NOAA and NASA instruments are typically built with┬аa number of┬аcalibration devices to ensure their stability and accuracy once┬аtheyтАЩre┬аon orbit, but we also use ground-based measurements to verify and┬аvalidate.┬а
And then my lab is also involved with the calibration and characterization of those instruments, so the ground-based instruments that are measuring the surface that then we try to map that to pixel in an image or an airborne instrument thatтАЩs going to┬аunderfly┬аa satellite, so that on the same day at the same time we have satellite instrument and airborne instrument images, those now are tied┬аboth.┬аBoth of them┬аare tied to a NIST traceable standard.┬а
And you can compare them with confidence, and so that that traceability between stand our lab standards and the instruments allows you confidence in being able to compare between sensors, not just in space but in the field and in the air.┬а
And then that that continues over time, so we can have a field measurement, you know, every day for 10 years, that three different instruments are comparing to, and┬аthat helps us track the consistency and accuracy across time.┬а
Host: How do scientists calibrate sensors in the Goddard Calibration Labs?┬а
Barsi:┬аSo,┬аI have the three distinct facilities, and so IтАЩll separate them into two parts, basically the Radiometric Calibration Lab and the┬аGLAMR┬аCalibration Lab are provide bright sources of radiance for an instrument to look at and take images of to map to do to apply the calibration radiance to digital counts and any other additional characterizations for their, for their test plan.┬а
So, an instrument might come to us and say, we want to calibrate from 300 to 800 nanometers, and we will set up their test plan based on what they need, do they want to do, they need to monitor┬аduct┬аstability, do they need to monitor linearity, do they need to do polarization characterization.┬аThereтАЩs┬аa lot of things, a lot of┬аdifferent kinds┬аof tests we can, we can help them with, and then they bring their instrument to us, or we go to┬аthem,┬аif necessary. If┬аitтАЩs┬аgoing to be in a TVAC┬аchamber, we can move our hardware to them.┬а
Host:┬аAnd┬аTVAC,┬аmeaning┬атАЬthermal vacuum chamber.тАЭ┬а
Barsi:┬а┬аYes. The thermal vacuum chamber┬аgives us┬атАЬtest as you flyтАЭ┬аspacelike environmental conditions.┬а
So, for spaceflight hardware, itтАЩs preferable to test your hardware┬аin TVAC, because then it is in the configuration in which it will be when itтАЩs on orbit at the┬аoperating temperature, which can change things in an instrument and a telescope, and at the pressure, which can also and then warp things.┬а
So,┬аideally for spaceflight hardware,┬аyouтАЩre┬аtesting in a TVAC┬аchamber, which means┬аweтАЩre┬аnot testing here in my labs.┬аWeтАЩre┬аmoving my hardware to the TVAC┬аchamber and testing in front of the┬аinstrument┬аwhile┬аitтАЩs┬аunder vacuum and temperature control, and we work with the instrument team a lot to develop the right test.┬а
And then once our light source is in front of their instrument, thereтАЩs a test plan that we follow to┬аeither provide whatever,┬аsources of energy we are providing, either monochromatic or broadband light, we step through those and any other characterizations that weтАЩre going to do.┬а
As I mentioned, we can do linearity, polarization, saturation, long-term stability, things like that. And so that test plan is all well established. When┬аitтАЩs┬аin TVAC,┬аyouтАЩre┬аgenerally under┬аa lot of pressure to get it done in a certain amount of time.┬аTVAC┬аis┬аvery expensive, so you got to get it right the first time, and so those tests are always very well thought out in advance.┬а
When┬аtheyтАЩre┬аin our lab,┬аitтАЩs┬аmore casual. We can do go-backs, we can see if┬аsomethingтАЩs┬аnot working, and we can make changes without the pressure of a TVAC┬аcampaign. And then┬аin┬аthe reflectance facility, a team will come to us with the material and say,┬атАЬI want to understand the reflectance of this material at this number of wavelengths at this number of angles,тАЭ┬аand we will make those measurements for them.┬а
Host:┬аWhat other big challenges are there in calibrating an┬аEarth-observing┬аinstrument? And can you think of something that┬аmaybe taught┬аyour team, taught you an important lesson?┬а
Barsi:┬аSo,┬аthe big challenge is for us is when we are in TVAC┬аgetting that test right the first time.┬аIt means a lot of collaboration ahead of time to verify that our instrument, that our hardware is ready and that the instrument is ready, that everybodyтАЩs expectations are going to be met, but some of the challenges weтАЩve met is because the instruments that NASA and NOAA builds are just the best instruments out there. They are better than any of our ground system┬аmonitoring┬аdevices.┬а
So, so weтАЩve gotten into a TVAC┬аtest, and the instrument team comes to us and says thereтАЩs something weird about our data, and then that we have to work back and forth to figure out if itтАЩs the image system or the calibration system.┬а
And then when itтАЩs a calibration system, we have to be able to fix it in a, in a short amount of time, because,┬аagain,┬аweтАЩre on TVAC┬аtimeline, and itтАЩs something that we couldnтАЩt see our,┬аwhen that happens, itтАЩs something that we couldnтАЩt see ourselves, because our ground system monitoring devices arenтАЩt just not as good as┬аthe┬аNOAA or NASA instrument, so this is this has happened a couple times recently.┬а
In one test, one space flight hardware test, we started seeing a new noise feature with an instrument that we had been testing with for,┬аfor┬аa couple of years.┬а
And┬аthis┬аnoise feature┬аwasnтАЩt┬аapparent┬аin the┬аprevious┬аtest with this instrument, and so we had to work with the instrument team to figure out whether the noise feature was in the calibration hardware or in the instrument.┬а
And then once we did, the engineers worked together┬аto rule out the different conditions of what it could┬аbe and┬аtracked it back to an electrical circuit┬аwhere one of our components was plugged in.┬а
And they had plugged something new into that circuit, which introduced noise into our electrical rack. And all we had to do was unplug our thing and put it in a quiet circuit, and that source of noise went away.┬а
Host: Fascinating.┬аThat was something you┬аhadnтАЩt┬аseen before. And thenтАж┬а
Barsi:┬аRight, we had, we had been in this lab facility for a long time from operating in there for a couple of years, and we, we, we never actually figured out what it exactly was plugged, plugged into this circuit, but there was a lot of stuff plugged into that circuit, and just by moving it, we, we mitigated the problem.┬а
So, we never figured out exactly what was causing the noise. In another case, we were using a new laser system for a different particular wavelength range, and┬аweтАЩre in the middle of┬аTVAC, so we had actually captured a lot of data already that was very good, and then we get to this wavelength range with this new laser, and it was really noisy, like off the charts, unusable data.┬а
And the image instrument team came and said, тАЬWhat happened?тАЭ┬аAnd it was clear in this case it was a result of this new laser system, and we had an idea that┬аthereтАЩs┬аthis artifact that we,┬аwe┬аcouldnтАЩt┬аdetect with this with our devices in this laser system.┬а
So,┬аweтАЩre,┬аwe┬аtake a break, we go to dinner, we think about what we can do to reduce this,┬аthis effect,┬аitтАЩs┬аcalled тАЬspeckle,тАЭ┬аand what we had on hand.┬а
And because this is a┬аTVAC┬аtest, it was a three-shift test, so somebody in the lab actually had their overnight kit with them, and I was like,┬атАЬWell, my electric toothbrush could vibrate this thing,тАЭ┬аso┬аwe pulled out this guyтАЩs electric toothbrush, set it next to the┬аfiber,┬аand vibrated the fiber enough to overcome┬аand then made adequate┬аimages for the instrument test. And then we had a rotating┬аcycle of three electric toothbrushes that we used for the rest of of this wavelength range┬а
Host: I just love that itтАЩs that kind of problem solving happens when youтАЩre away from the office. Maybe youтАЩre, sometimes itтАЩs little napkin ideas, like, тАЬOh, what if we tried this?тАЭ
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Barsi:┬аYeah, I have, I have a napkin, actually, with┬аsome problem solving on it, and some place in my files.
Host: You really are a NASA person!
Barsi: Yep, yep.
Host:┬аWhat makes your work rewarding?┬а
Barsi:┬аSo,┬аI got into this┬аas a result of┬аseeing a single image of Lake Ontario┬аacquired┬аby Landsat, while I was in high school. It was the coolest thing┬аIтАЩd┬аever seen. I┬аsaid,┬атАЬThatтАЩs┬аthatтАЩs┬аwhere I want to work.┬аI want to do imaging from space.тАЭ┬а
And I, and I still feel that awe and excitement when I see images of Earth from space. The Earth is so beautiful, and we, we make such terrific images of it with all of the different instruments we have in space, and so the fact that IтАЩm helping to generate those images and keeping those missions going and providing science data is, is still makes me, keeps me excited.
On a daily basis, the team that I have is so great to work with, you know, we constantly run, come across challenges that theyтАЩre like, тАЬOf course, we can solve this. WeтАЩre NASA engineers.тАЭ And so, my really small group works together to solve problems, and then when weтАЩre with an instrument team, where everybody is so dedicated to get the problems solved. That continues to be like rewarding every time, every time we do an instrument test, itтАЩs like, тАЬOh, is this, is this going to go as well as the last one, because the last instrument team was really great,тАЭ and then it is! They are everybody who is so committed to these instruments that they, you know, that they are willing to support a TVAC campaign, really wants it to succeed, and then we get fantastic images out of it.
IтАЩm┬аthe┬аPACEтАжwe calibrated┬аPACE┬аwhen it was here at Goddard before launch, and you know, I regularly get the┬аPACE┬аimage digest, which is┬аjust amazing,┬а
Host: And you can be proud of that.┬а
Barsi:┬аYeah.┬а┬а
Host:┬аYou also worked on Landsat.┬а
Barsi:┬аI did work on Landsat. My first job was as a, as a Landsat radiometric analyst, and that was like 20 years of just making Landsat better and better, because I started with Landsat 7, and I, when I left Landsat, it was at Landsat 9, and itтАЩs just a terrific archive that that mission has built up.┬а
Host: Julia, I have one more question for you, and that is: What was your giant leap?┬а
Barsi:┬аMy giant leap was┬аpretty recent. As I said,┬аIтАЩd┬аbeen working with Landsat for a long time.┬аI started my masterтАЩs degree with Landsat calibration.┬а
And I did field work, and that was super exciting, being in the field every day, not always being tied to it to your desk. And you know, solving the engineering problems, just like IтАЩm doing now.┬а
So that was my masterтАЩs degree, and then I came to, came to Goddard to work on the Landsat calibration team, which is primarily a desk job, and itтАЩs great, but it was all at my desk, and during, during the pre-launch calibration of Landsat OLI-2 on Landsat 9, I got involved with the pre-launch calibration, the GLAMR system that I now run. It was my job as the Landsat person to interface with the GLAMR team, and it was so fun.┬а
So, eventually, a few years later, the opportunity came up to transition to running the pre-launch calibration facilities here at Goddard, and I, and I took that. And itтАЩs really a stretch for me.┬а
I was in a comfortable analyst chair, where nothing much changed every day, and now┬аIтАЩm┬аin this position where, you know, hardware could break at any moment, and we┬аhave to┬аbe able to figure out┬аhow to move on with or with a substitute.┬а
But itтАЩs back in that dynamic environment like where I was in college, where it was not out in the field, but in the lab every day [where] somethingтАЩs different. So, I really rely on my team, but thatтАЩs the excitement of this kind of job. Every day is really different, because an instrument can come to us on any given day with a completely new set of parameters that they need characterized.┬а
Last week,┬аwe got a request to do something with a giant field of view that┬аweтАЩve┬аnever had to measure, and┬аweтАЩre┬аlike,┬атАЬOkay, how do we do this?тАЭ┬аAnd┬аweтАЩre┬аgoing to figure it out, because┬аweтАЩre┬аgoing to do the test next week,тАЭ┬аyou know?┬а
So, and then sometimes they say, тАЬOkay, well, we did all these measurements, but we found something weird. LetтАЩs figure out what that weird thing is. How do we test for that weird thing?тАЭ And we figure that out.┬а
So,┬аitтАЩs┬аexciting to be able to solve these problems in this very dynamic┬аenvironment and┬аhelp every instrument get the best characterization and calibration possible.┬а
Host: Well, thank you, Julia. Thanks for your time. Thanks for explaining your work on image calibration, and how important it is.┬а
Barsi:┬аYouтАЩre welcome. I do think itтАЩs very important, so IтАЩm glad youтАЩre interested.
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Host: ThatтАЩs it for this episode of Small Steps, Giant Leaps. For a transcript and to hear other episodes, visit nasa.gov/podcasts. While┬аyouтАЩre┬аthere, check out our other NASA podcasts like┬аHouston, We Have a Podcast, Curious┬аUniverse,┬аand┬аUniverso curioso de la NASA.┬аAs always, thanks for listening.┬а
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